saw you responded on my hotmail,
had to look twice since you changed your name.

i actually have some time booked with a hypnotherapist in england for some other things, its on lay away because i dont have the time to fully commit to the process right now im to busy with more urgent things.

so i will bring this up with him first see where we can take it.

the motivation goal setting part on your coaching page actually peeked my curiosity earlier tho when i looked at it.
i might still contact you at some point , i havent been able to find a proper product on motivation and goal setting so far. if its self help its usually alot of rah rah
if its more pure NLP its mostly some talk about submodalities but very bland and generic. very robotic recipe form.

i appreciate the offer il keep it in mind for sure.
while im here gonna quickly check out the metamodel post, im liking the site.
i enjoyed the posts about the subconscious distinctions (paraphrasing here) and alot of the posts that were in that catagory (when i clicked next post)

kind of short and consise lil informative pieces. cool stuff.
my intro to nlp was tony robbins so i notice pure nlp tends to approach the subject very differently. i like the posts with all the cool but simple distinctions.
helps me organise alot of the experiental data i have while still keeping it flowing.

Calvin

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If you’re interested, contact me directly at martin (at) howtomasternlp.com. Let’s see what we can do about this situation.

Martin

thanks for the responces.
im actually thinkin i probably should find a proper nlp or hypnotherapist and see if i can fuly flush this out.

the main probablem i had was i had to track the patterns so i could change them while also resisting the urges to engage in the compulsive patterns while simulatenously i had to do them a little bit to find out all the triggers and identify the things in my body.

so idid it pretty crudely and messy 50% tought out 50% justp lain ld forcing it away.
having someone guide me, do a proper inventarisation of the issues and come up with the exact nlp applications to this and be guided through it will probably allow a much more fluid and full change .
anyway this ended up bein more about my issue then moddelling.
i see where your coming from with the points you made tho.

good stuff,

Calvin

Il try to get back to this, i keep not having the time to write a proper responce.
For now i think tho the biggest difference is.

the tought of actually taking on somebody elses body mechanics physiology etc makes me cringe,
thats probably because everyday a part of a my focus still is wiring in my own mechanics i should probably see someone for this.
back in the day overtime i developed alot of weird body compulsions and body sensations that i didnt like (from basicly for a longtime passively taking in to much from other people) the way i began interrupting those patterns initially was kind of crude, i basicly go out of my way to maintain my own pattern of movements ive distinguished

because when i make foreign moves it triggers certain muscles witch vaguely arouses older patterns of movements, witch may trigger even older patterns and i fear it triggers that whole chain. because to an extent they still feel fammiliar.
like every now and then when i walk and a muscle group gets tickled jsut a wee bit diff il feel a vague desire to do a feminine hip away walking type movement.

iback in the day i basicly pattern interrupted the older patterns and religously replaced them with the ones i wanted to od then religiously kept doing them.
together with intuitive visualising it and things.

i probably should see someone sometime see if i can fully eradicate it out of my system.
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Good to hear from you. And yes, I still answer comments on ALL POSTS.

You asked: “why would you ever want to model whole people?”

You tell me. Why would you?

You asked: “why would you want to take on other people whole demeanor based on their unique development values etc. while you have a whole different system”

Once again, why would you? There’s a key word in your question: “whole.” That particular word doesn’t set up the question as I think you want it answered.

I don’t. I’d want to take on a particular segment of someone’s behavior. More often than not, it’s unnecessary for you to adopt someone else’s value system to be able to assimilate their behavior.

You asked: “why would you want to modell a soccer player that devised a unique playing style based on his physique and anatomy his strenths and weaknesses, while i have a different body type with different physical strenths and tendencies”

My brother plays soccer. He stands at 6’1. He modeled many of Romario’s dribbling strategies, who stands at 5’7. These strategies made him a more effective player. That doesn’t mean he became Romario. That doesn’t mean he adopted Romario’s attitude. It simply means he was able to produce results similar to Romario’s in similar circumstances. He went on to do the same with Ronaldo moves and Figo moves.

You wrote:
“its the same how in martial arts i wouldnt moddel a dude, might moddel his detemrination killer instinct attides and mindsets [...]”

This might reveal why you have some reserves with regards to modeling. In this phrase, you state you would focus on modeling qualities and attitudes rather than behaviors that are responsible for results.

My recommendation is that you leave out attitudes and qualities and focus on behaviors that produce results.

In “Turtles All The Way Down,” John Grinder points out the importance of setting up filters at the onset of a modeling project. The goal is to only assimilate the patterns you actually want to emulate and filter out the rest.

I don’t remember accurately whether it was in Turtles or in “Whispering In The Wind” (or even in the Whispering Forum), but Grinder attributes some of Richard Bandler’s eventual health challenges to his lack of filters while modeling Milton Erickson. He assimilated more than he wanted to.

You asked:
“how exactly do you sort the patterns and get what you dont want flushed out of your system”

Refer back to my previous answer. The best way to flush them out is to prevent them from coming in in the first place.

If they are already in your system, replace them with other behaviors you find more empowering.

You wrote:
“tho this probably isnt modeelling, i def tranced out.”

Actually, it was. Imprudent modeling, perhaps, but it was. You carried out step 2 of the modeling process using Deep Trance Identification (DTI) successfully. However, you failed to set up protective filters and you probably did not end up coding those models.

You raise important issues in your comment. I will revisit this post and update it with a few safety guidelines for step 2. NLP Modeling is a full-contact sport and is not to be taken lightly if it is to be performed exquisitely.

And alot of things wrong with this pop in my mind reading this.

1) why would you ever want to model whole people?
Ive learned alot of natural hypnosis it seems as when i was younger i spend alot of time ”trancing out” on movies even though you definatly cant modell movie characters unless your in some kind of pickup process where your actively meeting and interacting with women but it probably isnt moddeling i moddelled jason stathams energy and sense of masculinity his demeanor and presence did it with lots of dudes and then played with it the next days. tho this probably isnt modeelling, i def tranced out.

i also observed lots of people in the rea lworld. this gave me alot of trouble i started feeling people’s ”energy” inside my sytem i had it with women to i had trouble shutting it off i would observe women and started to feel inclined to walk in their sexxy hip swaying patterns. with flamboyant gaymen i started to get spontanous urges to use feminine handgestures and the speech patterns would hardcore rubbed off on me out of nothing.
it took me some serious time to figure out what this was. it took alot of centering exercises and other experimenting to fix this. its about 80 to 90% gone i still dislike watching tv series with weak spineless characters for this reason theres stil lthat 10%. i think it all started with that tv thing.

long story short why would you want to take on other people whole demeanor based on their unique development values etc. while you have a whole different system.

why would you want to modell a soccer player that devised a unique playing style based on his physique and anatomy his strenths and weaknesses, while i have a different body type with different physical strenths and tendencies.

its the same how in martial arts i wouldnt moddel a dude, might moddel his detemrination killer instinct attides and mindsets, or if his style was simmilar to my preferences i might try stealing pieces , but his style is not mine, your better of with proper learning strategies, tote, visualisation and other principles to maximise your growth and learning of your unique style martial art.

and how exactly do you sort the patterns and get what you dont want flushed out of your system , i had alot of trouble getting thos speech patterns out, but then since i was into pickup my personality was constantly evolving and i was constantly visualising naturally better behaviours so that could be considered a fulltime light trance ( everything i focussed and did back then was about evolving my personality, growing observing and learning new bits and meeting women) so that mightve contributed to it

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You’re in luck. Not only am I still answering the thread, but I’m on right now.

So you want to model a movie character. From what I understand, it’s not even an actor.

You can try modeling the character and see if you can get the same results he does through his behaviors.

The challenge I find with your project is simple. Movie characters and movie situations are, as you know, fictitious. So their counterparts don’t necessarily react realistically.

If I were you, though, I wouldn’t do that. I’d find a real person who gets real world results.

Let me ask you this: what prevents you from running your modeling project on a real person, with organic behaviors and organic reactions from his surroundings?

I can only hope you are still replying on the comments to this thread. My question is this, suppose I want to model an actor, not a Hollywood superstar, but someone that has only been in 1 movie. He is a real ladykiller(stud with the ladies, charmer, romantic, and the women love him for his overall demeanor towards them-NO NOT JAMES BOND, btw) anyways, there is nothing really that special about this person, where’s ordinary street clothes, but has an amazing capacity to talk to the women in the film with a very sexy voice, and has the body language in conjunction with these sweet talks. I thought he was a fascination character, is there still a chance that this person can be modeled?? Even thought the actor is long dead now. Moreover, I just want to model his voice skills and whatever body language he demonstrated in the film. Can this be attempted without ever knowing that particular person?? Let me know, this is useful knowledge that can make my life much more fulfilling and successful, even if the act of modeling that person improves and or replicates some good experiences. Yeah Martin, please let me know your thoughts on this issue. Thanks -Michael Fields